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The Death and Darkness in What Remains of Edith Finch

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As you may have seen, earlier this week we debuted a new trailer for What Remains of Edith Finch, a new PS4-exclusive adventure from the same team that brought you the enigmatic The Unfinished Swan on PS3.

The game follows the titular character as she returns to her remote rural family home to unravel the mysteries of her forebears. It’s essentially a compendium of short stories, each focusing on a different member of the Finch clan and built around a distinct gameplay mechanic.

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As a big fan of The Unfinished Swan, I caught up with the game’s Creative Director Ian Dallas to delve a little deeper into his vision for the game. And duly, I learned enough to peg Edith Finch as one of the most intriguing prospects in 2016 for PS4.

Read on to find out more, but to cut to the chase, any game that channels Edgar Allen Poe, Dark Souls, This American Life, and Twin Peaks, all tied up in a nice, heavy existential bow, has to be worth keeping an eye on, right?

What DNA does Edith Finch share with The Unfinished Swan, both in terms of its gameplay and its approach to storytelling?

Ian Dallas: Both games are about exploring the unknown. In The Unfinished Swan the unknown was more concrete — a white landscape you uncovered by splatting it — whereas in What Remains of Edith Finch it’s more about the mystery of why all of your family members have died and the murky nature of stories, where you never know the full truth — just one person’s perspective on it.

From a mechanics standpoint, both games also make an effort to constantly change up what the player is doing to help keep things interesting and also put players in the mindset of these characters. As a player you’re discovering new gameplay mechanics in the same way that the characters are discovering new worlds.

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What are your cultural touchpoints with Edith Finch? Edgar Allen Poe? Roald Dahl? Brothers Grimm? Stanley Kubrick?

Ian Dallas: The genre of short stories people call ‘weird fiction’ has been the biggest source of inspiration for us. That includes well-known folks like Poe, Lovecraft, Borges, and Neil Gaiman — along with some new favorites like Lord Dunsany, Jean Ray, and Kelly Link.

Other big influences for us include One Hundred Years of Solitude, The Twilight Zone, Twin Peaks, Ugetsu, and with anything I do I’m sure there’s a bit of Alice in Wonderland in there somewhere.

Edith appears very human and vulnerable — she’s unarmed, she’s got no special powers. She defies traditional video game archetypes, which is obviously refreshing, but how do you sell that to the player and make her a heroine they want to inhabit?

Ian Dallas: Edith is a meant to be a bit of a mystery for players. It’s not so much a question of getting people to root for her as simply wanting to know what’s going to happen next in this world.

In keeping with our focus on the unknown, there’s a lot that isn’t clear about Edith at the beginning. We know she’s coming back to this house but we don’t know why. Like with the stories you find in the game for each family member, Edith’s own story is a deliberate construction and there are things she’s choosing to focus on or leave out.

We’ve got two very different worlds in the game, the Finch family house Edith is exploring and the more surreal, stylized world of the stories where each is meant to reflect the personality and emotional state of the family member that story is focused on. We’ve tried to make Edith feel vulnerable and familiar to give players a stable point of view on this pretty bizarre universe.

Thematically, the notion of “family” seems very central to what the game is about. How personal is this story to you? Are you pulling on your own experiences in any way?

Ian Dallas: My mother was diagnosed with late-stage ovarian cancer mid-way through making The Unfinished Swan and she died during the first year of developing What Remains of Edith Finch, so that’s definitely part of why there’s a heavy focus on families in both of those games.

I’ve always been interested in death and impermanence, and I think families are a good contrast with that — something we make that lives on after we’re gone.

The stories in the game are all relatively short, contained experiences, so shifting the focus to the family also helps us look at how these events play out in a larger context and explore the themes we’re interested in.

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And what of the house itself? Is it a familiar place to you? Did you grow up somewhere like it?

Ian Dallas: The Finch house and the stories within the game are based around Orcas Island in Washington state, which is a place my family visited a lot when I was growing up. And we’re definitely trying to capture the balance of a limited human presence surrounded by a large, untouched wilderness that you can still find on the island today.

The Finch house is nothing like the house I grew up in, which is a good thing. The Finches aren’t very stable people and their house reflects that — it’s an enormous jumble of architectural styles and, like most houses in games or movies, wildly impractical. But I did spend my entire childhood, more or less, in the same house and I think that’s reflected in the way we approach the Finch house.

It’s a place where you can feel the weight of many people making small adjustments to it over a long period, imprinting themselves and their concerns on the landscape around them.

I hear you’re a big fan of the This American Life podcast, and that its approach to thematic, short-form storytelling has influenced your work. Can you expand?

Ian Dallas: I love the intimacy of radio journalism. On a show like This American Life you can have a soundscape of people digging a subway tunnel a mile underground paired with an old Jamaican man talking about what that kind of work does to your joints, and as a listener I’m able to keep both of those things in my head at once.

It’s a very artificial world, made up entirely of sounds, but it feels strangely real. I think in stripping away so many of the things that we’d normally be focused on, it’s easier to appreciate the unique character of what’s left – like the person’s voice.

On The Unfinished Swan we used mostly non-professional voice actors because they sound more natural and I think it’s easier to connect with them emotionally. They’re not acting; they’re just being themselves. And we’ve done the same thing so far on What Remains of Edith Finch.

It’s very hard to make anything in games feel intimate and human but non-professional voice-over actors have worked really well for us so far and I think that echoes some of the feel of a show like This American Life.

While it’s not overt, there’s clearly a ‘horror’ element to the game. How hard is it to scare someone, and how do you measure success during development?

Ian Dallas: Our intent has never been to scare anyone. I’d say it’s more about creating a sense of curiosity and unease. Which is not to say the game isn’t scary for many people. It comes down to how you as a person deal with the unknown. And this is a game that hopefully gives you a chance to explore that feeling.

It’s a hard thing to measure in a playtest. It’s much easier to measure the opposite — what are the things that break the sense of mystery, or empathy, or immersion? And every time we do a playtest, we find lots of those problems and do our best to fix them.

Personally, the thing I’m always looking for is a moment in the game when most people will be so overcome that they’ll subconsciously let out a “woah.” You don’t always hit that, obviously, but that’s the goal.

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It’s fair to say that Edith Finch and Unfinished Swan are not “typical” video games. There’s not much out there that’s like them. What’s your relationship with games? Do you play a lot?

Ian Dallas: I play fewer games than I used to and I think that’s a combination of lack of time, the fact that most games feel quite familiar by now, and the sense that most games don’t have much to say to me.

I think most games are either meant to be challenging or to be a pleasant time waster. And a lot of people are looking for that, but I’m not. For me personally, I love games that show me something I haven’t seen before and that effectively explore a character, environment, or feeling.

The last game I got really into was Dark Souls, which was not a game I was expecting to enjoy. I think that game does a fantastic job of conveying a sense of struggle. I love how inscrutable the world is, how vast and unknowable it feels. For me, the thing that makes Dark Souls so compelling is how unified it feels, that all the various elements – the lighting, the economy, the lengthy attack animations – all contribute to this feeling of heaviness and struggle.

Another theme appears to be the trivial, temporary nature of humanity versus the infinite vastness of nature. That sounds a pretty heavy topic for a piece of interactive entertainment! Can you promise us a happy ending?

Ian Dallas: Eventually, everybody is going to die, right? The most we can hope for is an interesting life and a satisfying conclusion. And I think that’s what players can expect from Edith Finch and the rest of her family. It’s definitely going to be interesting.

Add Your Own

FrankDaPronStar said:

May 27th, 6:05 am

Hey Danny, Thanks for doing C&G live!

Kryterion said:

May 27th, 6:12 am

COLIN AND GREG LIVE IS ONE OF MY FAVOURITE VIDEO GAME TALK SHOWS. CHECK IT OUT PEOPLE. THAT IS ALL :D

paulogy said:

May 27th, 6:15 am

I didn’t expect to hear more about this game so soon, and prior to E3! It looks SO interesting to me. With a focus on family, and the intimacy that can surround that type of group, are the spaces in the game designed to be more intimate and acutely interesting as well? I’ve longed for more games that favor small, detailed, and as result more consequential spaces over sprawling open worlds with little to interact with.

“For me personally, I love games that show me something I haven’t seen before and that effectively explore a character, environment, or feeling.”

YES – more games like this, please :-).

zingakun said:

May 27th, 6:22 am

Any possibility of this game coming up on Vita? This kind of “short stories” combines so much with my Vita…

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May 27th, 6:37 am

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Mercenary09 said:

May 27th, 7:27 am

Nice interview Fred! I’m very much looking forward to this game as I was a big fan of The Unfinished Swan.

RianKing91 said:

May 27th, 8:09 am

I am so excited for this game!!

Halloweenie06 said:

May 27th, 9:44 am

Although short, I thoroughly enjoyed Unfinished Swan. I look forward to purchasing your new, somewhat darker title.

Poopookakabumbum said:

May 27th, 10:43 am

No physical release – NO SALE

yowzagabowza said:

May 27th, 1:37 pm

Man, that all soumds great, but you’re making a video game here, not a short story or a tv miniseries. The GAMEPLAY needs to be as compelling as your influences.
Its also in first person which i personally just dont like.
Im keeping my expectations low so hopefully I’ll be suprised. But it wont matter because the prive will be $20-30 and i wont buy a digital only game for that price.

Also, only the first level of Unfinished Swan was different from other games. The rest was normal wandering around.

Berae said:

May 27th, 3:26 pm

It sounds very interesting, i love those different experience game, it is a must buy for me.

CrownedLion said:

May 27th, 4:08 pm

This sounds deep and engaging. It seems like you have a good grasp on what you want players to explore, and I’m confident that it will be an interesting ride. I hope you follow your vision through to a rewarding conclusion.

TheSnowmanSaint said:

May 27th, 5:43 pm

Colin & Greg!
Definitely looking forward to this game.

SavoyPrime said:

May 30th, 5:28 pm

Definitely going to be keeping an eye on this. Loved Unfinished Swan, so Giant Sparrow has earned my trust.

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